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Bootloader Unlocking Xperia S. Legal Implications

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Hello all,

 

Recent conversation regarding bootloader unlocking with Sony Customer 'Support' have told me that although I am now SIM free from O2 my firmware is still locked to O2 and they cannot help me with unlocking the bootloader to enable me to update to Generic firmware due to legal reasons.

 

I am familiar with flashtool and have sucessfully updated my firmware to .45 and .50 but have had to backtrack to .453 due to issues with the app tray refusing to show apps after page 3.

 

Does anyone have any information why it is illegal for sony to unlock my bootloader and any ways out there that I can do it manually.

 

Also, does anyone else have the page 3 app tray issue? I've tried re-flashing a few times with no success (They were all stock Generic firmwares as as stated my bootloader is locked and have had to stick with stock Kernel)

 

Regards.

 

Gillsfankev.

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I believe MI5 is right - Sony used the word "illegal" incorrectly.

 

As I understand it (and I don't pretend to be a lawyer or ex-spurt)...

 

Basically, you don't own a sony phone - you own an O2 phone.  Sony manufactured the phone for O2 under contract - beyond that, sony have no more connection with you than Mercedes do with the passengers of a bus they built for Stagecoach.   We buy our O2 phones and pay less than we would for a "vanilla" sony phone because - apart from calls costs etc - O2 get paid for installing and "locking-in" certain apps (commonly referred to as "bloatware").  If someone removes those apps, they are potentially depriving O2 of income or leaving them open to legal problems with the owners of those apps  - so O2's contract with sony will have specified that sony can not remove that bootloader and effectively turn an O2 phone into a sony phone.   O2 can remove/change the bootloader once they are outside of whatever contracted period they have with the "built-in" apps' providers.

 

There are some legal issues relating to mobile devices - relating to FFC regs and the use of certain frequencies in different parts of the world - but I can't see them being involved here.  (For example - wifi devices in the UK use 13 "channels" - in other countries, there are only 11 "channels" and broadcasting on the other two - which are actually just different frequencies - is potentially illegal as it involves unlicenced broadcasting on those frequencies)

 

(As a thought - I can see an opening for providers such as O2 to offer discounts, gifts or favourable terms for people who take their non-O2 phones in and have an O2 bootloader installed - kind of like renting out the side of your house for advertising space.  Not everyone's cup of tea but then not everyone is bothered about "bloatware" and a few quid saved or a "free" pair of headphones is better than nothing :))

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From what I have read only O2 can unlock the bootloader. I guess there must be some contractual reason why Sony won't do it. Someone, I think "anticipated" or "forkingabout" may have mentioned a link to do it manually but I can't find it now 😞
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Bootloader unlock depends on the firmware the handset is running.

 

http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/

 

My unbranded Sony Xperia can have the boot loader unlocked as it has always run generic Sony firmware from the factory & not operated messed around with firmware.

 

Be warned if you unlock the boot loader you will void the 24 month handset warranty!

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I believe MI5 is right - Sony used the word "illegal" incorrectly.

 

As I understand it (and I don't pretend to be a lawyer or ex-spurt)...

 

Basically, you don't own a sony phone - you own an O2 phone.  Sony manufactured the phone for O2 under contract - beyond that, sony have no more connection with you than Mercedes do with the passengers of a bus they built for Stagecoach.   We buy our O2 phones and pay less than we would for a "vanilla" sony phone because - apart from calls costs etc - O2 get paid for installing and "locking-in" certain apps (commonly referred to as "bloatware").  If someone removes those apps, they are potentially depriving O2 of income or leaving them open to legal problems with the owners of those apps  - so O2's contract with sony will have specified that sony can not remove that bootloader and effectively turn an O2 phone into a sony phone.   O2 can remove/change the bootloader once they are outside of whatever contracted period they have with the "built-in" apps' providers.

 

There are some legal issues relating to mobile devices - relating to FFC regs and the use of certain frequencies in different parts of the world - but I can't see them being involved here.  (For example - wifi devices in the UK use 13 "channels" - in other countries, there are only 11 "channels" and broadcasting on the other two - which are actually just different frequencies - is potentially illegal as it involves unlicenced broadcasting on those frequencies)

 

(As a thought - I can see an opening for providers such as O2 to offer discounts, gifts or favourable terms for people who take their non-O2 phones in and have an O2 bootloader installed - kind of like renting out the side of your house for advertising space.  Not everyone's cup of tea but then not everyone is bothered about "bloatware" and a few quid saved or a "free" pair of headphones is better than nothing :))

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Bootloader unlock depends on the firmware the handset is running.

http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/

My unbranded Sony Xperia can have the boot loader unlocked as it has always run generic Sony firmware from the factory & not operated messed around with firmware.

Be warned if you unlock the boot loader you will void the 24 month handset warranty!

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Thanks for the link but unfortunately i'm not allowed to unlock the bootloader for the reasons it seems MI5 has stated.
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So where do I stand when my contract has expired, and Sony have ceased releasing updates for this phone, but third party ROM's such as CyanogenMod are avaliable with the latest Android ?
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@Anonymous wrote:
So where do I stand when my contract has expired, and Sony have ceased releasing updates for this phone, but third party ROM's such as CyanogenMod are avaliable with the latest Android ?

Currently trying to find the answer myself although O2 and Sony seem very shtum on the subject.

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@Anonymous wrote:
So where do I stand when my contract has expired, and Sony have ceased releasing updates for this phone, but third party ROM's such as CyanogenMod are avaliable with the latest Android ?


IANAL but as your contract has run it's term then the phone is yours to do with as you please, be it flash it with a different ROM or dissassemble it. Of course any action is entirely at your own risk.

 

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So, would o2 unlock it?
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They'd have no valid reason not to......
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