prking - thanks for the gentle pointer..
There was a bit of a discussion on the blog, but apparently this post - http://blog.o2.co.uk/home/2010/04/o2-comments-on-the-digital-economy-act.html?cid=6a010535c50a83970b0133ec93f2e0970b#comment-6a010535c50a83970b0133ec93f2e0970b - heralded a slight premature, in my opinion, end to that discussion..
Here is the response I posted and still in "moderation" (??). Hard to tell as o2 are not very transparent about it..
>>>
We'll only ever provide customer information in response to a court
order and strongly disagree with any suggestion of disconnecting
customers.
>>>
Again, this is a very generalised statement. It indicates a possible
positive intent, however, the provision for response for court orders,
may render this intent - impotent.
We know that there are so called "law firms" out there that in a sense
farm IP addresses. As the following story points out: "Not all IP
addresses will result in a physical address because one machine can
generate more than one IP address and, in some cases, the ISP is
unable to find the real address.
ACS:Law estimates that for every 1,000 IP addresses it requests court
orders for it will get around 400 actual addresses. "
( from - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570913.stm )
With the "digital economy bill" the process just got easier. Some
people ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/dea_timetable/ )
think that the government + "copyright" holders are just waiting to
see if ISPs will work to reduce downloads before stepping in big-time.
As I am now happen to weigh my broadband options, which are not
un-related at all from my mobile choices, I would like to have a
better idea as to who am I paying my money to, and what are you
planning to do with it in relation to my internet access.
I understand from your replies that you are not going to defy court
orders on behalf of your users. So what are you going to do apart from
stamp feet?
* Are you going to lobby harder for greater freedom of the internet?
* Are you going to lobby harder to get back to where we were prior to
the digital economy bill?
* Are you going, as the following article kind of suggests -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570913.stm - to think of
setting up your own "legal" file-sharing scheme? (i.e. are you
planning to use this crisis to increase your profits..?)
Since I doubt you will reply the above questions, maybe you will
be kind enough to elaborate on how strongly you disagree with
providing information and disconnection.
* How are you going to be, in that regard, different to other ISPs -
if different in anyway?
Here is the response I posted and still in "moderation" (??). Hard to tell as o2 are not very transparent about it..
>>>
We'll only ever provide customer information in response to a court
order and strongly disagree with any suggestion of disconnecting
customers.
>>>
Again, this is a very generalised statement. It indicates a possible
positive intent, however, the provision for response for court orders,
may render this intent - impotent.
We know that there are so called "law firms" out there that in a sense
farm IP addresses. As the following story points out: "Not all IP
addresses will result in a physical address because one machine can
generate more than one IP address and, in some cases, the ISP is
unable to find the real address.
ACS:Law estimates that for every 1,000 IP addresses it requests court
orders for it will get around 400 actual addresses. "
( from - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570913.stm )
With the "digital economy bill" the process just got easier. Some
people ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/dea_timetable/ )
think that the government + "copyright" holders are just waiting to
see if ISPs will work to reduce downloads before stepping in big-time.
As I am now happen to weigh my broadband options, which are not
un-related at all from my mobile choices, I would like to have a
better idea as to who am I paying my money to, and what are you
planning to do with it in relation to my internet access.
I understand from your replies that you are not going to defy court
orders on behalf of your users. So what are you going to do apart from
stamp feet?
* Are you going to lobby harder for greater freedom of the internet?
* Are you going to lobby harder to get back to where we were prior to
the digital economy bill?
* Are you going, as the following article kind of suggests -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570913.stm - to think of
setting up your own "legal" file-sharing scheme? (i.e. are you
planning to use this crisis to increase your profits..?)
Since I doubt you will reply the above questions,
maybe you will be kind enough to elaborate on how strongly you disagree with
providing information and disconnection.
* How are you going to be, in that regard, different to other ISPs -
if different in anyway?
