on 30-09-2011 12:38
on 30-09-2011 12:38
on 03-06-2013 15:35
@Anonymous wrote:A modification to Direct Debit (such as the amount to be paid) does not need authorisation from the account owner.
In the case of 'Soobster' - I suspect that the fraudulent activity was that they had signed up for a new contract and (as is pretty standard across all carriers) the O2 rep asked "do you want me to setup this new account using the old bank details?" - Given this question usually comes after passing account security, it's a perfectly reasonable question IMO. If yes, the existing Direct Debit is edited, and the bank doesn't require authorisation from the account holder for this type of edit.
Only in this case, the account was being setup by a fraudster, so the assumption of permission to change banking details isn't valid.
Somewhat concerning though that every case I've read about (specific to O2, but not specific to this thread) has been a customer who's contract is up for renewal. This points to a pretty significant "data leak" somewhere, in my opinion. O2 are surely aware of it from their own Fraud team (you'd hope), but very little seems to (publicly) be getting done about it.
The fraudulent DD is an additional one which has been added, I'll hopefully know more on how tomorrow. Your explanation does seem reasonable, if I thought o2 were remotely interested I'd pass the information on to help with their ongoing investigations.
on 03-06-2013 15:55
"Permission" for a Direct Debit is a vague concept at best. All O2 have to do (legally), is "Obtain your authority" to setup a Direct Debit Mandate - often this is in the form of a verbal agreement. Many, many other companies also do this.
So from the bank's perspective, O2 (or their representatives) will have said "we have permission to setup a Direct Debit using these details" and the bank's automated systems will have obliged.
The entire Direct Debit system is, in terms of security, laughably weak. The security comes solely from the fact that only nominated gateways are allowed to submit requests. Once the request is in the system, there's no validation of the request at all.
O2 should have guidelines in place to prevent employees willfully creating new direct debits at will, but I'd wager that it really is just a button marked "the customer agreed to this during our phone conversation" - relying on the fact that the phonecall is probably (read: hopefully) recorded.
Sadly, setting up the new Direct Debit is technically the fault of the bank, but the entire system is built the way it is, and it isn't going to be changed any time soon. Besides, the bank were just acting on authority given to them by O2 - so they'll happily argue that they're not responsible whatsoever.
And people wonder what led to the economic situation.
on 10-06-2013 08:34