on 15-04-2019 19:02
on 15-04-2019 19:02
on 20-04-2019 11:27
on 20-04-2019 11:27
Hello @Cleoriff
Regrettably we can't save the world "cleo" we can only do our bit however small in the space we live in.
We all know why France and Macron (taking the opportunity to "win" votes or Brownie points) need to replace this building MONEY
on 20-04-2019 11:49
on 20-04-2019 11:49
@TallTrees wrote:Hello @Cleoriff
Regrettably we can't save the world "cleo" we can only do our bit however small in the space we live in.
We all know why France and Macron (taking the opportunity to "win" votes or Brownie points) need to replace this building MONEY
I'm not talking about just 'we'... as in little old us @TallTrees
I'm talking about the mega-rich who are throwing millions at the fund to repair the cathedral.
We have seen it before with Windsor Castle and other national buildings with a wealth of heritage behind them. There is always, always money found to repair these 'treasured buldings'
If only people would realise, it's more important to save our planet than any beautiful old building.
They don't.
I would far rather spend my money on WWF, Ocean Conservancy, Rainforest Alliance etc etc etc.
These charities rely on public funding and donations to save our planet.
No point in rebuilding Notre Dame, if we aren't going to be here long enough to see it.
Now I will step off my soapbox...
Veritas Numquam Perit
on 20-04-2019 12:34
on 20-04-2019 12:34
Well said @Cleoriff Heart felt
The mega-rich will be providing money because it is tax deductible and more brownie points
will get a "Knighthood" or similar whatever it is in France (seems to be important to the wealthy)
Not putting money in because they love the project or heritage.
The mega-rich do nothing without there is "something in it for me"
With regard to Windsor Castle ~ the State should not have been involved with public money.
However, we vote for a Parliamentary Democracy therefore we have to rely upon their
decisions bad or good and of course the usual "I want my Knighthood or whatever"
So it is only little ol' us in our gardens and in our shops and in our daily lives that can only
"touch" on the inevitable, we, no doubt will go the way of the Dinorsaurs ~ not taking
every living thing with us because much of the "small" worlds creatures will survive.
(if they don't get stuck in plastic! sorry had to say it):aghast_smiley:
on 20-04-2019 13:26
on 20-04-2019 13:26
Well said @Cleoriff and @TallTrees
When are people are going to get it into their heads that the only reason politicans and the mega-rich do anything is for the WIFM factor - "What`s In It For ME!!"- the mega-bucks from investment, the gongs and knighthoods, and to inflate their already inflated egos?
Bricks and mortar do not have feelings and can be rebuilt.
The creatures we share this planet with are sentient beings, which once driven to extinction can never be replaced.
It seems to me that it is only after the consequences of environmental damage that there is a knee-jerk reaction - rather than preventative measures being in place before this happens.
on 20-04-2019 14:02
on 20-04-2019 14:02
Perfect examples, the rapid extinction of the rainforests which contain thousands of creatures, the killing of elephants for their tusks, tigers for their skins, lions to mount their heads on a wall and on and on.
The trouble is human beings have little thought for other human beings as we see with the troubles in the Middle East. So it is difficult to get them to care about the creatures in our world, large and small, that need our protection not extermination.
Until we can make the world care about the human species, we are unfortunately fighting a losing battle getting them to care about the rest of the world and its many creatures being destroyed by greed.
20-04-2019 14:26 - edited 20-04-2019 14:27
20-04-2019 14:26 - edited 20-04-2019 14:27
Not forgetting every single rainforest removal either via fire or deforestation is the greatest factor in global warming.
"As the world seeks to slow the pace of climate change, preserve wildlife, and support billions of people, trees inevitably hold a major part of the answer. Yet the mass destruction of trees—deforestation—continues, sacrificing the long-term benefits of standing trees for short-term gain.
Forests still cover about 30% of the world’s land area, but they are disappearing at an alarming rate.
Between 1990 and 2016, the world lost 502,000 square miles (1.3 million square kilometers) of forest, an area larger than South Africa. Since humans started cutting down forests, 46 percent of trees have been felled, according to a 2015 study in the journal Nature. About 17 percent of the Amazonian rainforest has been destroyed over the past 50 years, and losses recently are rising
We need trees for a variety of reasons, not least of which is that they absorb not only the carbon dioxide that we exhale, but also the heat-trapping greenhouse gases that human activities emit. As those gases enter the atmosphere, global warming increases, a trend scientists now prefer to call climate change.
Tropical tree cover alone can provide 23 percent of the climate mitigation needed over the next decade."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/deforestation/
(Some pictures in the article showing the effects of Global warming).
I really will step down from my soapbox now.
Veritas Numquam Perit
on 20-04-2019 20:24
Well said by all above ^ ^ ^ ... agree wholeheartedly
When last I heard 1,000,000,000,000 euros had been raised to restore Notre Dame cathedral
I have quite recently become a member of WWF, donating a small amount per month, it's all I can afford ... but ... it's no good me being a bit of an eco / keyboard warrior on Facebook without backing up my beliefs with something concrete
The Bottom Line / Money is the root of all Evil
Every bit of the male tiger is used cf traditional Chinese medicine ... = ... criminal & gross
My soapbox too @Cleoriff
on 20-04-2019 20:49
@Chris_K wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:My heart felt it when the Charles Rennie MacIntosh School of Art buldings in Glasgow got it twice when undergoing repair work ? ... talk of it now is demolishing it ... = ... Gutted, no pun intended
Always been a bit fan of CRM architecture ... & ... it was on my 'To Do List' to visit Glasgow and soak all of his work / particularly any of his surviving Tea Rooms one day ... = ... good train service direct to the city from the town in which I live
Living in Glasgow, I pass the CRM building regularly while heading into the city and it's a bit of a heartbreak seeing it in the state it's in. I know demolition plans were submitted to the council in February, but I don't know how much further it's got.
If you ever do visit Glasgow @Anonymous , some things I'd recommend doing/trying/going:
- Visit the GoMA museum
- Visit the Riverside Museum of Transport - Great building design, great seeing the history of transport
- Visit the Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum
- Visit pretty much any cafe and get a morton's roll and square sausage - it'll change your life
Devastating to see the Notre Dame suffer such a tragedy. Macron has vowed to restore the building but no matter how good a job they do, those incredible treasures that were inside are gone forever. I hope they're able to identify the cause of the fire so that construction businesses across the world can learn from it (if it was a fault by the construction business itself, that is).
Hello @Chris_K ... thank you for the info above ^ ^ ^
I would have replied sooner but forgot which thread it was on ... so ... went back to my phone to check
I shall, hopefully, be receiving a little bit of money in June, it would do me good to have a weekend away, no changing of trains etc ..... ..... ..... I am not afraid of going on holiday alone, I've done it before & had a good time ..... but ... it's been sooo long I can't remember when last I had a break out of town
I'd find a B & B to stay ..... & ..... check it all out on Trip Advisor ..... it'd give me something to look forward to ... & ... my neighbour would look after my cat Marty
Thank you @Chris_K again
21-04-2019 01:44 - edited 21-04-2019 02:05
21-04-2019 01:44 - edited 21-04-2019 02:05
@Anonymous wrote:Well said by all above ^ ^ ^ ... agree wholeheartedly
When last I heard 1,000,000,000,000 euros had been raised to restore Notre Dame cathedral
I have quite recently become a member of WWF, donating a small amount per month, it's all I can afford ... but ... it's no good me being a bit of an eco / keyboard warrior on Facebook without backing up my beliefs with something concrete
The Bottom Line / Money is the root of all Evil
Every bit of the male tiger is used cf traditional Chinese medicine ... = ... criminal & gross
My soapbox too @Cleoriff
Often misquoted, it is 'the love of money is the root of all evil'. Money in and of itself is not evil. It's what people do to obtain that money and what they do with their money, once obtained, that can be, and often is, evil.
Throwing money at the rebuilding of Notre Dame is easy and gets kudos on the world stage. Saving our planet and the many creatures on it, big and small, animal and insect, which will in turn save humanity less popular. Those that have the money need to get behind the many projects there are to save what's left of the rainforests, protect those animals hunted to near extinction and invest in any project that attempts to save our depleting natural resources. Unless and until they do so, rather than throwing millions of dollars, euros, pounds sterling, yen, yuan etc at building projects to make themselves look good, humanity will become extinct in the not too distant future.
on 21-04-2019 08:48
@Glory1 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Well said by all above ^ ^ ^ ... agree wholeheartedly
When last I heard 1,000,000,000,000 euros had been raised to restore Notre Dame cathedral
I have quite recently become a member of WWF, donating a small amount per month, it's all I can afford ... but ... it's no good me being a bit of an eco / keyboard warrior on Facebook without backing up my beliefs with something concrete
The Bottom Line / Money is the root of all Evil
Every bit of the male tiger is used cf traditional Chinese medicine ... = ... criminal & gross
My soapbox too @Cleoriff
Often misquoted, it is 'the love of money is the root of all evil'. Money in and of itself is not evil. It's what people do to obtain that money and what they do with their money, once obtained, that can be, and often is, evil.
Throwing money at the rebuilding of Notre Dame is easy and gets kudos on the world stage. Saving our planet and the many creatures on it, big and small, animal and insect, which will in turn save humanity less popular. Those that have the money need to get behind the many projects there are to save what's left of the rainforests, protect those animals hunted to near extinction and invest in any project that attempts to save our depleting natural resources. Unless and until they do so, rather than throwing millions of dollars, euros, pounds sterling, yen, yuan etc at building projects to make themselves look good, humanity will become extinct in the not too distant future.
Thank you for your post @Glory1 ... you absolutely right, of course, it's not money itself which is evil, however, what some people who do with their money is evil ... I stand corrected
I do not have much money ... & ... it is my personal choice what I do with it ... which is one example above ie recently joining WWF to regularly send my 2 pennorth to a worthy cause
Kind Wishes
WispaRed7