NHS and MumsNet - where have all the nursing staff gone?

[pgn]

An interesting debate-starter, this one:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48438139

Does the concept of "flexible working" even make sense in the context of an NHS environment?

I think there're undercurrents of something else here, but as one with a daughter looking to train as a nurse when she gets her A-levels next year, I'm only too aware of the disconnect between the places available locally to study to become a nurse, vbs the story in this article.

The two sides of the story tell different things...

[Cleoriff]

They do have a union the Royal College of Nursing (RCN)

Problem is everyone has relied on the goodwill of nurses to work overtime. So the system is abused.

As for salaries

"Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £24,214 rising to £30,112 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £30,401 to £37,267".

[ComaChameleon]

That's starting 27.199,-€/p.a. - even an Rettungssanitäter (only drives ambulances and teamleader on only-transport-units) starts with 29.812,-€/p.a.

So that's really bad payment. 

I looked it up, here starting salary is 33.000€/year. So no wonder they're leaving tbh...

But it's always in such jobs, people think "they love people, so they're happy to work"