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International Roaming and Whats it all about.

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Welcome to the O2 Community!

If you need any advice, go ahead and create a forum post HERE

** Please read the following amendments to the article that allows for EU Roaming changes on the 15th June.

 

Roaming and what’s it about?

Roaming is when you are no longer able to Pick Up your home Network (O2-UK). This is normally when you are in another country. However, it is possible to pick up French Network when in UK and the Irish Networks when you’re still in Northern Ireland.  But if your phone is displaying anything else besides O2-UK or BT Cellnet (On Some Older Phones), then you are Roaming on a Foreign Network and Roaming Charges will apply if Services are used.

 

Is O2-DE the same as O2-UK?

The answer is no. O2-DE is a completely independent business to O2-UK and therefore Roaming Charges would apply.

O2-DE (O2 Germany) and O2-UK (O2 United Kingdom) are both Parts of the Telefonica Group, but this is all and is 2 Separate businesses

 

 

Do I need to Activate Roaming?

If you are an O2 PAYG Customer then Roaming is activated automatically as you can only spend what you have in Credit.

O2 Contract customers may need to call 202 to confirm they have Roaming Activated on their account if they have never used the service before or had issues in the past.

 

 

How does Roaming Work?

When you travel outside your Home Network, your Mobile Phone Sim will ask the Roaming (Foreign) network first if it can use the services on their Network. (You IMEI number of your phone is also sent to verify it’s not the Stolen / Missing Database as well)

 

The Foreign Network will take details from your Sim card and go back to the International Centre and check if O2 has an agreement first to use the Network and then if the Sim card is activated to use the Roaming. (This is why there is a delay sometimes in first switching on your mobile to you getting a signal and a Network Name)

 

If all comes back ok, then the Sim will receive instruction and you notice the Roaming Network Name shown on your phone.

 

What you may not know is that when the phone is authorised to use the Roaming Network, It is given a temporary allocated foreign number of the country you are visiting.

 

So you may have someone calling you and they may notice that the Ring tone suddenly sounds different in their Earpiece and not like the UK Ring. This is because of the Foreign Number allocated and that you are roaming on their Countries Network.

 

One this you will never know though is the Temporary Roaming Number as this is only a Forward number and changes.

 

 

So what charges do you pay for when roaming?

  • Making Calls?                     Yes you pay for all of the Call.
  • Receiving Calls?                                Yes you pay for the Roaming country Inbound Part of the Call.
  • Sending a SMS?                                Yes you pay to send a SMS.
  • Receiving a SMS?             No it’s free to receive a SMS.
  • Sending a MMS?              Yes you pay to send a MMS.
  • Receiving a MMS?           You may be charged for Data Usage to receive the MMS ( I never have on O2, But I know other UK networks charge)
  • Data Usage                         Is all chargeable

 

 

The Person who is Calling or Texting you from the UK.

 

This is where a lot of confusion becomes and people become worried regarding charges.

                        

Simple Fact to Remember:

Even though the person you are contacting is abroad. You are still only calling their UK Mobile Number. So treat it as they are still in the UK.

 

So for example:

If you have free UK Text allowance, it will still be Free (Your Texting a UK Mobile Number)

If you have Free UK Minutes, then again you are calling a UK Mobile Number, so it will use your UK Minutes Allowance.

If you don’t have Free Allowances, then you will be charged at your normal standard Rate of ringing the UK or Texting a UK Mobile number

 

 

A couple of Questions and Answers that may come in useful:

 

Q)   I’m abroad and my friend is abroad, will I be charged to contact my friend as I’m only calling a UK Mobile number

A)   Yes, even though you are calling a UK Mobile Number. You are not in the UK and the person you are calling isn’t, so you will pay the Roaming Charges to make the call and the person who is receiving the call will pay the inbound part of the charge. If you’re roaming in our Europe Zone this will be included within your UK allowance; within countries included in O2 Travel, this will activate the £4.99 fee. More information here and here

 

Q)   Why am I charged twice for Voice Mail Messages?

A)   When someone tries to contact you and you don’t answer, the call is then passed back to the O2-UK voice mail as a return call, So you pay for the Return part of the call even though you didn’t answer your Mobile. Then when you want to listen to your voice mail, you pay to make the call and listen to it. So this is where Double Charges apply

 

Q)   Why are inbound SMS free when I’m abroad?

A)   This was set by the EU Telecoms Parliament, that any EU Mobile Company must allow their users to allow incoming SMS for Free anywhere in the world.

 

Q)   What is the Difference between Roaming and Home Networks?

A)   Your home network is on your network where you purchased the Sim from. So if you purchased your Sim card in the UK and from O2, your home network would be O2-UK and you would be allocated a UK Mobile number.

Roaming is when you are no longer on your home network. So, for example, you go to Spain and you pick up Telefonica ES. This means you are Roaming on a Spanish Network.

 

If you have any other questions please ask and I will gladly try to answer them and will keep editing the 1st thread to make it easier for everyone to read.

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Cleoriff
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Hi @Anonymous Are there any problems with the networks in Qatar? If they are ok then you probably need to contact Customer services (PAYG) about this. Try either of these numbers

From abroad
+44 3448090202
Free†
From abroad+44 7860 980 202

International rates†

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No PAYG access from UAE I'm afraid.
Blocked by the Saudi Govt.
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@MI5 wrote:
No PAYG access from UAE I'm afraid.
Blocked by the Saudi Govt.

Is that recent Rich? The poster reckons he was ok for three weeks...

Anonymous
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions.  Just went for the hi-tech thing of turning it off and on again and it seems to be working now!  Fingers crossed that stays....

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@Cleoriff wrote:

@MI5 wrote:
No PAYG access from UAE I'm afraid.
Blocked by the Saudi Govt.

Is that recent Rich? The poster reckons he was ok for three weeks...


Fairly recent but it appears it's fixed now.....

O2 must have done a deal wink

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Just for clarification, Qatar isn't in Saudi so doesn't necessarily mean things have changed there....
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@Anonymous wrote:
Just for clarification, Qatar isn't in Saudi so doesn't necessarily mean things have changed there....

I probably should check my Geography books in future Confused

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I am a newcomer to smartphones - I was recently given (actually I won it in a rafle at my Grand-children's school fete!!) a Lumia 435 which came with a PAYG International SIM card.   I have just topped it up and plan to go to Europe at the weekend.    Do I need to do anything else to be able to use it abroad?

Thanks for any advice.

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Have a look at this help thread @Anonymous

https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/international/using-phone-in-europe

Turn voicemail off as you will be charged to receive calls

Use Wifi where possible. Turn mobile data and data roaming off

MI5
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Your international sim allowance / call rates is only for use in the UK.
You can still use the sim abroad but you will need extra credit on it and you need to get O2 Travel enabled for the cheaper rates.
Anonymous
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I am currently in USA and my pay and go phone has no network. It's set to automatic and I also tried manual. My contract phone has full signal. Please help as calls from the pay and go are cheaper than the contract. Thanks. I tried to call 202, but was on hold for half an hour!

Anonymous
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I have £20 on it and have used it previously in Greece.

Anonymous
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Many thanks Cleoriff.   That's very useful and helpful advice.

Regards,   Dibby

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No problem @Anonymous Have a good time abroad...:smileywink:

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am currently in USA and my pay and go phone has no network. It's set to automatic and I also tried manual. My contract phone has full signal. Please help as calls from the pay and go are cheaper than the contract. Thanks. I tried to call 202, but was on hold for half an hour!


Download Tugo on your contract phone and use it over a wifi connection.

It will use your UK allowance with no roaming costs http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go

Be sure to use it on wifi only though.
 

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Have you got network selection on auto on the P&G phone? If so try a manual search for a different network.

Anonymous
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Hi I'm in the USA and have currently been charged 120 pounds by O2 I'm assuming for roaming charges. If I have roaming switched off on my phone how can I be charged. Please help as I'm worried that I am going to be charged a fortune by the time I get home from my 2 week holiday. Jackie

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Hi @Anonymous. What have you been using your phone to do while you're there? Have you been making calls and sending texts? Have they been within the US or back to the UK or both? If so, that will incur hefty charges. Roaming may have switched itself back on if you were using the phone. Please read the first page of this thread. We always advise getting your phone unlocked and using a local sim while in the US, or getting a Three Pay & Go sim to use, as calls and texts to the UK, and data are included in the package you get. O2's charges are very high if you use your phone over there.

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Don't just turn off roaming, turn off the data connection completely and just leave WiFi on for use when connected to a WiFi hotspot.
If you are a contract customer, Tugo can also be used to make calls and send texts over WiFi which will keep your bill down to a minimum http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go
International rates can be found here http://www.o2.co.uk/international/internationalhub
Anonymous
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nearly £36 to use 25MB of data - is that right?!?

 

Roaming and data were switched off for the trip, couldn't get wifi which we needed to find out where we were going next, so as a last resort turned on roaming for a couple of minutes and a couple of Google searches, then turned off again. Expected to be charged a fair amount but not £36.

 

That'll teach me, I guess.

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

nearly £36 to use 25MB of data - is that right?!?

 

Roaming and data were switched off for the trip, couldn't get wifi which we needed to find out where we were going next, so as a last resort turned on roaming for a couple of minutes and a couple of Google searches, then turned off again. Expected to be charged a fair amount but not £36.

 

That'll teach me, I guess.

 


Depends where you were using it?

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New York City

Cleoriff
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@Anonymous wrote:

New York City


That would be one reason why it was high then... Outside Europe can be very costly...

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£6 per mb but O2 will automatically cap your data usage to £40 (50 MB) a month whilst you're abroad

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Following from my posts of a fortnight ago, I too have been caught out by high data charges - £6 per MB as said above.    I have just had a fortnight in the Med. ending up in Troy and Istanbul.    I completely over-looked the fact that Turkey is not in "Europe" and tried to send a couple of MMSs to our grandchildren (showing Granny with the Trojan horse!!).   That completely wiped out the £15 I had left on my account, and didn't even manage to send the messages!!!   I am just glad I had no more credit as I dread to think what I might have been charged if it had been there.   It seems to me to be an extortionate charge.   Is it just O2 or is that general with other networks?

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They all charge extortionate roaming charges unless you are going to one of Three's "Feel at home" destinations http://www.three.co.uk/Discover/Phones/Feel_At_Home
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The charges have always been disproportionate to the costs actually incurred by O2. The costs in Europe should be global. I'm guessing it costs less to call the international space station.

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Many thanks darrengf for making things clear for this technophobe!!  Just one question:  I am on O2 PAYG and will be  travelling to Japan/China soon and will need to make calls to numbers in those countries.  Would it be better to get a SIM while out there? Or even buy a very cheap basic phone while there?  Your help will be much appreciated.  Mrs P

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Hi @Anonymous Travel to those countries is very expensive. Have a look at this thread. Scroll down to the Rest of the World Zone 3 and 6  and look..

http://www.o2.co.uk/international/travel/standard-charges

Best advice would be to make sure you use Wifi all the time. Using apps like messenger and Skype and Whatsapp to stay in touch with family and friends. Turn Data roaming and mobile data off as well as voicemail

 

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Yes. Definitely cheaper  to use a local sim card.

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Different thread.

Anonymous
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Thanks Cleoriff, will certainly be using WhatsApp, etc for family & friends, but will need to phone local companies (taxis, etc.) when we get there. Had a look at tu-go, but at present is only for Pay Monthly and Business users. Will carry on research. Thanks again
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Thanks MI5, think this is what I'll do.
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@MI5 wrote:

Different thread.


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Talking about using a local sim card,  hence the unlock link....

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@jonsie wrote:

@MI5 wrote:

Different thread.


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Talking about using a local sim card,  hence the unlock link....


I thought I was responding to a different but similar thread.

I couldn't add the link at the time so I thanked you for adding it but then realised I was in the wrong thread so it was irrelevant, hence my edit.

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@MI5 wrote:

@jonsie wrote:

@MI5 wrote:

Different thread.


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Talking about using a local sim card,  hence the unlock link....


I thought I was responding to a different but similar thread.

I couldn't add the link at the time so I thanked you for adding it but then realised I was in the wrong thread so it was irrelevant, hence my edit.


Crazy thought I was going senile....even more. I was quite sober at the time which scared me LOL

Anonymous
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Please how do I make calls now with my o2 outside UK

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Hi @Anonymous We need a bit more information really. Have you read the opening post of this thread which is all about Roaming abroad? http://community.o2.co.uk/t5/Pay-Monthly-and-Pay-Go/International-Roaming-and-Whats-it-all-about/td-p/309678

Are you travelling in Europe and if so have you downloaded O2 Travel? https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/international/using-phone-in-europe/

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@Anonymous wrote:

Please how do I make calls now with my o2 outside UK


Much more information needed. You need to know the roaming costs before you use your phone overseas so we particularly need to know where you are travelling to in order to advise you further. The links posted by by @Cleoriff should help.

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My son is in France (age 12) and he needs to call us but cant

 

i guess i need to add some money to his account ??

 

what do i do

 

alan taylor-wheeler

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Yes, he will need credit to make and receive calls.
You can top his number up at an ATM or by calling the top up line on 4444
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Hi @Anonymous

You may wish to remove your sons phone number from your post. This is an open forum and his number can be seen by anyone.

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Hi @Anonymous,

Welcome! As the forum is publicly viewable, I edited out some private info from your post just to be safe. These great people here will offer some useful advice at always slight_smile 

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You can top up his mobile easily enough either online, over the phone or via ATM. The credit will get onto his phone no matter where he is.

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Hi, i have o2uk contract phone. Currently in spain,  can receive calls , send and receive txt, use data roaming etc but everytime i try to call a spanish number i get 'this number has not been allocated. Ihave tried saving to contacts, switching phone off and on. Even had a friend call me from his spanish phone, saved it and still couldn't phone him back 

any help greatly appreciated 

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@Cleoriff is our Spanish expert.

I'm sure she can help you out slight_smile

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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi, i have o2uk contract phone. Currently in spain,  can receive calls , send and receive txt, use data roaming etc but everytime i try to call a spanish number i get 'this number has not been allocated. Ihave tried saving to contacts, switching phone off and on. Even had a friend call me from his spanish phone, saved it and still couldn't phone him back 

any help greatly appreciated 


Hi @Anonymous

This has happened to me before...particularly when I try to dial the number direct from my keypad. I have to input it into my contacts list  and ring Spanish friends that way. Remember to put the code in for the area of Spain you are visiting. Mine is Malaga so any landline number I ring is in this format 0034 952 456789 (no gaps)  Mobiles do NOT need an area code however... For instance.0034 609773429 (no gaps) You should then find the number is 'assigned'

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How much will it cost for a uk phone to phone my uk phone when we atr both in Spain?

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Landlines - per minute16.5p
Mobiles - per minute16.5p
 
Receiving calls - per minute4.3p
Sending texts - per message4.8p

Cost per MB of using data:

Data usage17.2p / MB*

 

 

http://international.o2.co.uk/internationaltariffs/travelling_abroad

 

But O2 travel also applies when in Spain

https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/international/using-phone-in-europe