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Just watched the inauguration - It's now official, watch out wink

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/20/510629447/watch-live-president-trumps-inauguration-ceremony

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A well thought out comment and I agree with everything you say. The problem is that Trump hurtled headlong into this and gave his detractors the perfect excuse to lobby and protest against his policies whilst quite probably agreeing with him in private. Every politician and everyone in the public eye will use any means possible to further their own profile and this is the world we now find ourselves shaking our heads at.

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Bill Clinton made that speech 22 years ago....so I get your point

I agree with what you say above... regarding the people marching in protest. I would hope they all know what they are marching about. Somehow I doubt it. A lot of it is crowd mentality. (one person throws a bottle...a lot more start throwing bottles)

I totally agree with your comment about Aleppo. I didn't see anyone marching in protest at that atrocity

A member of my family signed the petition to stop Trump coming to Britain for a State visit. Why did he sign it? It was easy to do so online. Yet he agreed the Queen had entertained far worse in the past. 

I am not a supporter of Donald Trump at all...but I do wonder at this world wide outrage he is causing...

 

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Not really a rant @viridis but a well thought out comment on what is going on today in a world gone mad.

I agree with what you have said. There have been many things happening in the world over the past few years far far worse than what Trump has done that didn't cause mass protests around the world. In fact, caused no protest at all.

As was mentioned in the press both here and in the US Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton were the two most unpopular candidates standing for the presidency. Personally I thought Hilary the lesser of two evils and I was a registered Democrat when I lived in New York though I did vote Republican if I thought they put up a better candidate.

I also agree with @Cleoriff's comment about mob mentality. Why I never went on protest marches in my youth.

However, I do think Trump is dangerous and his actions will only increase enlistment in ISIS and other terrorist organisations as it will be a good excuse for more anti-American sentiment in Muslim countries.

I also view Trump's actions both with regard to his ban and building a wall to keep out illegals from Mexico as racist and pandering to the racists in America. And I hate racism whatever form it takes.

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With my nursing head on Trump did something good yesterday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38819204

He told the pharmaceutical executives to cut prices of drugs. I wish someone would take the same sort of stance in the UK

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Yes @Cleoriff I totally agree Trump has done a good thing in asking for a reduction in the price of drigs and it is an election promise he's kept. Though I am concerned about his promise to the Pharmaceutical companies about speeding up approval of new drugs and what form this would actually take.
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I don't think it's racist as such, it definitely is seated in xenophobia, and both executive orders passed in same week won't have helped his image much I bet. But it's what he promised, what we all knew was coming and was, imo, enacted a little too swiftly and without the correct policies put in place.
But, and it's a big but, this is exactly what every politician on both sides of the Atlantic (UK/US) has said they will look at for a looong time, all politicians pander to an extent to racists and xenophobes within their countries, even extreme lefty leaders will hint at some kind of control of borders at some point, including the running opponent of Donald Trump.
We're no better here, we like to pretend we are and our elected government sleep well at night knowing they help this cause and that cause whilst sending xx amount of ££ in foreign aid and investment, but did we not, thanks to the shared borders scheme with France, build over 6km of walls and fences at our border in Calais, purely to keep the Syrian, Iranian, Iraqi and African migrants away from our border?
Imagine if trump allowed 3,000 migrants into America, but only on condition they had to sleep in filthy tents in a muddy field whilst waiting to be processed.
That's what we, and the hypocrites within the EU did...

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Okay fair point @viridis. Everything you say is true. We did see what was coming if Trump was elected. Which is why so many people didn't want to see him elected including me. As I've said I thought Hilary Clinton was the lesser of two evils but I wasn't crazy about her either. I just think of the two Trump was and is the bigger danger.

And yes Trump has kept his election promises so far whether you agree with them or not. Xenophobic without question but also racist in my opinion.

As for what is happening in Calais no words can fully describe how shameful it is.

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Regrettably Trump and his team have little or no political experience, so the pronouncements they make are without thought as to the knock on effect.

The ban on travel hit people with valid dual nationality and with green cards. It caught long established Americans visiting family back home, including some who had fought for America. That is I feel why it caught the public protest.  However, It targeted an old list created for a different reason that he blamed on Obama.  The ban didn't take account of the fact that Nationals of the seven countries singled out by Trump have killed zero people in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-immigration-ban-terrorism/514361/?ut...

 

I worry for the unforeseen impacts of his other pronouncements.  I worry that the people of Germany or Italy or Russia felt this way between the wars, where in each case a bully removed (initially not lethally) those who felt other than him.

 

Sadly as pointed out, this travel ban is as of nought compared to other atrocities being enacted on a daily basis.  I would add to Viridis' list.  FGM is happening NOW in the UK. Modern slavery is happening NOW. Women are treated as second or even lower class by churches, mosques, businesses...  Lèse majesté is in effect in Thailand, and you will be imprisoned if you defame the king. In 2015, a man was sentenced for a "sarcastic" comment online about the King's dog!   But unless these grab attention of the press or social media, and cascade, they come up in a news broadcast occasionally then go away.  Hating Trump or fearing his impact is quite popular, and I admit to it.

 

Trump is a master at getting attention, and at diverting attention. He is a spoiled child who needs attention.  His staff (pre-Presidential era) were afraid to contradict him, from what I have read. Even journalists are scared to contradict him.. At golf, on a cheaters scale of 1-10, he was an eleven.  He also needs people to love him - the ones who voted for him still do, as numerous interviews have shown.  He will say and do things until he is stopped, hopefully by the two houses of Congress.  I can't see his nominee for the vacant supreme court judge (the vacancy that Republicans wouldn't allow to be appointed since February under Obama) slowing him down.

 

Oh dear, I've ranted.

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No worries about ranting  @Fellwalker we have all done the same on this thread.....

I was about to mention FGM which is custom and practice in some countriea and goes on here as you say

I have seen no females marching in protest about that....

Re the travel ban...he relented a little last night and allowed 800 into the country

He has just appointed a new Secretary of State http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38835462

One of the major worrying problems is Trump acts first...and thinks after..

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800?  He said only 109.

“Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning.”
— President Trump, tweet, Jan, 30, 2017

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/30/the-number-of-people-affected-by-trum...

 

http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trumps-travel-ban-fact-checked-how-the-claims-measure-up-10749909

 

Tillerson is  #24 in the Forbes influential list for 2016. He has close ties to Putin. 

The New York Times says of his appointment:  "But his views on international affairs are in many ways more conventional than those of Mr. Trump, which is why even Democratic-leaning foreign affairs experts said they welcomed his selection in hopes he would bring ballast to a turbulent administration."

A Time magazine article asserts that since Tillerson announced ExxonMobil's preference for a carbon tax, the giant oil company "has not made a carbon tax a focus of its massive lobbying efforts and has supported a number of candidates and organizations that oppose measures to tackle the [climate change] issue."

 

 

 

Are you sure he thinks?  Obviously, except about himself.

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