Theresa May loses Brexit Deal vote

[Cleoriff]

The biggest government defeat in history. 432 votes to 202!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885828

Up a creek without a paddle springs to mind....

[MI5]

Not to mention the "promise" of £350 million into the NHS which was never gonna happen, perjury should not go unpunished!

[liggerz87]

I voted leave I didn't follow the remain train or the leave train I voted leave based on the 3 accustion of o2 ofcom said no it can't go through and it was the eu that decided no it couldn't go through

[MI5]

Entirely your choice, but not exactly sound logic for making life changing decisions.....

[Glory1]

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@Anonymous wrote:

@Glory1

Given the background of the leading Brexiteers you hear from all the time, that is, as traders having worked for  investment firms, I'm beginning to wonder if they have a vested interest in seeing the country go off the edge of a cliff.

It wouldn't suprise me to learn that they have been shorting stocks they know will be adversely affected by a 'no deal' Brexit, they'd certainly have the knowledge to do it and of course the money as none of them are poor.

There is nothing illegal in doing that but I'd say it's morally questionable considering how many people will be affected.

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@Anonymous I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that your conjecture is indeed fact.

Nothing a politician does would surprise me, I don't trust any one of them. And for all they pretend otherwise, their thoughts are for themselves and not their constituents. 

We are up sh!t creek, God help us all.

[Cleoriff]

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@MI5 wrote:
Not to mention the "promise" of £350 million into the NHS which was never gonna happen, perjury should not go unpunished!

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Yes, that as well. People were easily swayed, taken in by lies and false promises.

I'm watching the BBC news now and they are talking to various groups of people. Apart from those who have the wonderful idea that sacking her will make all the difference in the 10 weeks remaining, many are saying there should be another referendum!

[jonsie]

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@Cleoriff wrote:

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@MI5 wrote:
Not to mention the "promise" of £350 million into the NHS which was never gonna happen, perjury should not go unpunished!

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Yes, that as well. People were easily swayed, taken in by lies and false promises.

I'm watching the BBC news now and they are talking to various groups of people. Apart from those who have the wonderful idea that sacking her will make all the difference in the 10 weeks remaining, many are saying there should be another referendum!

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I believe there should be. Let's not forget those young people who weren't eligible to vote two years ago who will now undoubtedly vote to remain. They blame the older generation for the leave vote and I would agree with that up to a point.

[Bambino]

And if a second referendum turns out in favor of the remainers, what do you then say to those who voted to leave? Best of three? It's a mess that will take much longer than the coming deadline to sort out.

[sheepdog]

A second referendum won't happen in the current timeframe before March 29th. There simply isn't enough time to create an agreed set of questions which won't be the two as last time which will require considerable agreement from all MP's. Its also unlikely to occur as both main parties know that giving into one will state the fact that they are liars and untrustworthy to run the country alienating voters. By all means, if parliment had thought about it properly they'd have agreed a set of referendums over a couple of years to allow for change in circumstances. 

Article 50 which you remember was agreed on by MP's (don't you love the irony here on how agreeable MP's were  to enact the date) can only be extended for a short time and then still dependent on the EU elections. 

Further reading: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/second-referendum-brexit

As for a General Election, thats likely but again not in the short term and likely to be April if the Vote of No confidence gets anywhere and the least likely outcome is Jeremy Corbyn getting a working majority which would involve the SNP who will demand concessions and that will be a big price. At which point, the UK will have legally exited the EU since you guessed it, because the MP's voted on the date. 

That is if the Speaker of the House of Commons doesn't decide to change all the rules again thus causing more problems.

[Cleoriff]

The press from all over the world is camped outside Westminster this morning.!!

[TallTrees]

Yes @Cleoriff Britain just recovering from a major recession after banks collapse etc., could well have done without this not the right time at all.  

David Cameron probably believed the vote would be remain, not a suitable leader really and walked off. The British folk can't "walk off" to their multi-million £ investments.

The EU is a club,  the club make and agree the rules, we say "don't like it" club says don't like it ok leave, but then "hey" we want to stay in the club and pick and choose but don't like their rules? 

I can see that they don't have to change or bend their rules just for one ~ otherwise it could become unruly. All clubs would have the same attitude.

This is more than difficult, messy and of course everyone will suffer. 

It really doesn't matter "who needs who" in my opinion ~ everyone will be a loser.

Shouldn't Rock Boat ~ until you have a firm anchor somewhere.