Coronavirus in the UK

[AngryOldGuy]

The reports say the Prime Minister didn't drive to bike ride. He rode those miles.. now that's exercising.. and in all the pictures he's distant from his riding buddy.

Now tell me why he's getting stick and those women from the Midlands got off with it? Driving 5 miles isn't exercise?

If those women broke down they'd need a third person (tow truck) to come rescue them. Anyone on a bike can self repair or walk home.

[welshsteve76]

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@Cleoriff wrote:

Re the diagnosis of Covid 19 on death certificates is something I mentioned weeks ago on this thread @jonsie 

Many times it is NOT the cause of death at all!

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This has been an area of concern all along. This mis-recording is what is causing all the hysteria. People have got hung up on the doom & gloom figures being presented every day, but never in our history have the daily illness and death figures been published daily for all to see, so people are unable to get perspective. On average for the last 5-10 years (probably longer) 1500 people die in the UK of various causes. But we are never told this, you have to go and find this in difficult to understand reports online.

There are many many stories from people who say their loved one who died was put down as covid, when they were someone that was very ill and and already had an serious condition that meant they were epected to die soon.

What is happening now is people are dying of various causes in hospital, but hospitals are a hotbed for covid infections, so you have a few problems.

1. People go into hospital for treatment of other illnesses, they are contracting covid during their time in hospital which causes post-treatment complications. These are put down as a covid death, when they shouldn't be.

2. Somebody with a serious underlying codition, whether diagnosed or not, tests positive for covid, although it doesn't make them ill, goes into hospital for treatment/operation within 28 days. here are complications with their treatment/op and they die. They are put down as a covid death when it isn't the cause.

3. Somebody tests positive for covid, then within 28 days dies of any other cause, even as a result of car accident injuries. Covid is mentioned on the death certificate, so is recorded as a covid death.

One of the biggest issues with all this has been the mis-recording of covid deaths because they are not doing proper autopsies to determine the real cause of death.

The same goes for the daily "cases" figures.

What is a ratio between tests carried out and positive results?

What is the ratio of positive results and actual illness?

What is the ratio of positive results and hospitalisations?

A lot of people, including NHS workers are tested multiple times, does each of these tests count as a test? Does each positive swap count as a case? Because they take more than one swab for a test, so you could potentially half the number if each swab is tested independently.

The confusing and misleading figures are the main factor driving the hysteria and over-reaction in this country. Not to mention the lack of transparency from the governement and SAGE.

[TallTrees]

All I know is that it doesn't look good however it is dressed up or dressed down...

[jonsie Level 94: Supreme]

And two thirds of the deaths are men

So we all know the weaker sex!

[AngryOldGuy]

"If you can get there under your own steam and you are not interacting with somebody… then that seems perfectly reasonable to me.”

So then.. reissue the fine to those gals and let Boris go on peace.

[AngryOldGuy]

The Yankee Candle story is amusing / interesting, read HERE 

Apparently the same thing was noted in the US a week or so after Thanksgiving... Funny that.

[Cleoriff Level 94: Supreme]

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@AngryOldGuy wrote:

The Yankee Candle story is amusing / interesting, read HERE 

Apparently the same thing was noted in the US a week or so after Thanksgiving... Funny that.

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I laughed at that @AngryOldGuy  Luckily my Yankee candles and wax melts still smell very nice

[AngryOldGuy]

Some of the reviews are quite revealing!

[TallTrees]

The hospitals 🏥 are struggling 😫
Worse the Nurses and Doctors are sounding tired and stressed out..disillusioned because many of the population are ignoring good advices...they get the fall-out. I see a long long haul ahead.

[Cleoriff Level 94: Supreme]

I watched an ITU consultant talking last night on TV. He said despairingly, 'we need more ITU nurses, we can't wave a wand and make them magically appear'.

For me as a retired nurse, that was one of the hardest things to watch.