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iPhone 3GS Upgrade Policy

Anonymous
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Interesting that so many "non-iPhone" customers are so keen to have their say - all a result of iPhone envy if you ask me!

Now onto the real issues...

Needless to say I'm outraged at O2's current policy. I completely understand the issues of subsidized handsets etc. and recouping the cost of the handset through the monthly charges, but O2's responses via their official twitter feed have only led to enflame the situation.

Point 1: O2 have stated that the reason iPhone 2G customers (of which I was one) were able to upgrade to 3G without a contract buy-out was because the 2G was not subsidized. Now just a reminder that the 2G was on sale for £279 (With inc@ 17.5%) on an 18 month contract. Now the 3GS is for sale at £274 (With VAT @ 15%) on an 18 month contract. So it follows that the 3GS is, like the 2G, not subsidized. I therefore put it to O2 via twitter that surely by this logic, 3GS customers would be able to upgrade to iPhone 4 this time next year, without a contract buy-out. O2's response read..."The 3GS is heavily subsidized by O2." When i pressed for more answers regarding this, my questions were conveniently ignored, despite questions either side of mine being answered! Clearly O2's "Masters of Twit" were stumped by this point!

Are we really to believe that the cost price of the iPhone 3GS to O2 is so much more than the cost price of the iPhone 2G?? So much that £279 for 2G = not subsidized, but £274 for 3GS = not just subsidized, but HEAVILY subsidized??

It appears to me that O2 have quite simply blown the bank to retain iPhone exclusivity and they are passing this on directly to it's customers.

Point 2: Name one other phone that carries a £200+ price tag on an 18/24 month contract? In fact, name one other phone that carries any kind of substantial price tag on such a long contract? There are none!! Thus it's clear: the iPhone is not simply another mobile phone! The price/contract situation is completely unparalleled so to now attempt to impose a blanket upgrade policy, saying that all O2 contracts adhere to the same rules smacks of moving the goalposts!

Point 3: AT&T are allowing iPhone 3G customers to upgrade without buyout once the reach the 12 month point of their current contract. Seems perfectly reasonable to me! O2 have certainly recouped plenty of their subsidy and then some from me over the last 12 months. Given that I'd be paying full price for the handset (£274), then none of my monthly payments over the next 6 months will be going to cover subsidy on the 3GS, because as stated above - it can not possibly be subsidized at that price! Therefore my payments over the next 6 months will still be paying back the subsidy on my 3G! Then in 12 months time, a non-buy-out upgrade to iPhone 4 where I am required to pay for the handset would again be perfectly reasonable! Many will state these 18 month contracts and then in essence 12 month contracts, however, this is not true. Such a model will ensure that O2 keep hold of customers as long as these customers keep coming back for the next iPhone. If I were to decide in 12 months that I don't want iPhone 4, I would still have to honour that final 6 months of the contract.

I suspect that O2 have filed accounts and given reports to shareholders etc that the acquisition cost of 3G customers last year will be absorbed over the next 18 months and this is what they're sticking to. As explained above, however, by O2's own admission the 2G at £279 was not subsidized, so therefore the 3GS at £274 must not be subsidized - unless there have been an inexplicable jump in the cost price of the iPhone to O2! So therefore, the next 6 month's payments would continue to pay back the subsidy on the 3G handset!


I'm sure that these points will not be addressed in any detail by O2 and some sort of blanket answer like I got earlier today with be the extent of their response, but I thought it pertinent to express this to fellow iPhone users in a similar position.

In closing, don't be lonely on launch day O2! Though there will be some hardcore fans who will begrudgingly pay the £450 to pay themselves out and buy the new handset, there will be an enormous amount of 3G users who will be unwilling to pay this enormous amount, especially now that they realise that in 12 month's time, another similarly enormous figure will be awaiting them! For the same reason, I suspect that a number of new customers will also be discouraged from taking on the iPhone 3GS, knowing that in 12 months time, they will be faced will this same debacle and enormous fee all over again!

I eagerly await a detailed response from O2.
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Anonymous
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I'm sorry but o2 must have known for a while this was on the cards. Ok they might not have told the call centre staff but they should have. O2 were not told the same day as us.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but yes they were.

I was talking to the CEO of o2 not long before it was announced and when he was at Apple the week before they wouldn't tell him.

What did you want? The 2 (if there was event that many) people in the whole o2 company to phone you with something they will have had to sign a non disclosure form just so you didn't upgrade?
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I was talking to the CEO of o2 not long before it was announced and when he was at Apple the week before they wouldn't tell him.

So by that I can take it we can assume you have signed the NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) 02 will almost certainly have with Apple? Are you an 02 employee in that case?

The pricing strategy, web site etc was all made on the day or the day after? Do me a favour!
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I was talking to the CEO of o2 not long before it was announced and when he was at Apple the week before they wouldn't tell him.

So by that I can take it we can assume you have signed the NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) 02 will almost certainly have with Apple? Are you an 02 employee in that case?

The pricing strategy, web site etc was all made on the day or the day after? Do me a favour!
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I was talking to the CEO of o2 not long before it was announced and when he was at Apple the week before they wouldn't tell him.

So by that I can take it we can assume you have signed the NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) 02 will almost certainly have with Apple? Are you an 02 employee in that case?

The pricing strategy, web site etc was all made on the day or the day after? Do me a favour!
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Anonymous
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No I haven't signed an NDA, only people privvy to information have to sign one.

O2 staff found out the same time as everyone else. There was as much speculation with regards to the Iphone with staff as their was people on forums.

Pricing is mostly set by Apple so its just a case of typing it up, Apple would have provided all pictures, a website would only take about 15 minutes to update with that kind of information.
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No I haven't signed an NDA, only people privvy to information have to sign one.

O2 staff found out the same time as everyone else. There was as much speculation with regards to the Iphone with staff as their was people on forums.

Pricing is mostly set by Apple so its just a case of typing it up, Apple would have provided all pictures, a website would only take about 15 minutes to update with that kind of information.


You miss my point! The CEO of 02 will almost certainly have signed an NDA with Apple. You were speaking to the CEO before the announcement... (all join in together) YOU HAVEN"T SIGNED THEREFORE OF COURSE HE"S NOT GOING TO TELL YOU AS IT WOULD BE A BREACH OF AN NDA!
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No I haven't signed an NDA, only people privvy to information have to sign one.

O2 staff found out the same time as everyone else. There was as much speculation with regards to the Iphone with staff as their was people on forums.

Pricing is mostly set by Apple so its just a case of typing it up, Apple would have provided all pictures, a website would only take about 15 minutes to update with that kind of information.


You miss my point! The CEO of 02 will almost certainly have signed an NDA with Apple. You were speaking to the CEO before the announcement... (all join in together) YOU HAVEN"T SIGNED THEREFORE OF COURSE HE"S NOT GOING TO TELL YOU AS IT WOULD BE A BREACH OF AN NDA!
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Anonymous
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Is there something wrong with my computer, michaeljsanders seems to be posting twice just in case we missed his post the first time round. Can we stop feeding the trolls?


lol perhaps a broken submit button, it happens to the best of us. grin

Michael, I was talking about a week before. If he knew after that then that's his business, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple just let him know a day before, they are the true Willy Wonka of the tech world, those guys hold more secrets than a politicians accountant grin . Regardless of that matter, the post was following a poster claiming o2 staff did know and this was untrue.
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To claim that the CEO of O2 didn't know about a new Iphone a week before release is absurd. O2 management would have been aware for months, if not longer.

If not then it would basically give them 2 weeks to arrange marketing, ensure stock levels, update the website, get contracts arranged, train staff on new features, bargain with apple over costs and prices..... the list could go on and on. Management knew, simple as that. You can't release the most popular phone in the world to a user base the size of the UK with two weeks notice.


Oh and by the way, I was chatting to Bill Gates the other week and he said they are selling windows back to apple, as they invented it anyway...... Or maybe I could just be talking rubbish....
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