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E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:22:45 GMT

Many people gave up smoking and turned to e-cigarettes as a substitute. Since then it was evident that scientists would be looking for any problems associated with this alternative.

If honest I haven't been too concerned about any of the research to date.

This is different. The most recent data (in the US) hints at unexpected health effects unique to e-cig use.

After comparing genetic information swabbed from the noses of smokers, vapers, and non-users of both, researchers found that smoking suppresses the activity of 53 genes involved in the immune system. Vaping also suppressed those 53 immune genes—along with 305 others

The significance of that gene suppression is still an ongoing research project, though the initial results suggest that e-cig users may have compromised immune responses, making them potentially more vulnerable to infections and diseases.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/e-cigs-shut-down-hundreds-of-immune-system-genes-regular-cigs-dont/

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

MI5 — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:28:07 GMT

Not my experience at all.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:33:59 GMT

I am just putting the research here @MI5

Though not sure how you would know if you had experienced any gene suppression? Are you basing your comments on how much better you feel in general?

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Anonymous — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:49:58 GMT

E-cigarettes are controversial don't you think, with so much conflicting information out there. Rightly or wrongly, my employer makes no distinction between them and regular cigarettes, and has banned them from the workplace completely.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 11:11:42 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
E-cigarettes are controversial don't you think, with so much conflicting information out there. Rightly or wrongly, my employer makes no distinction between them and regular cigarettes, and has banned them from the workplace completely.

They are controversial @Anonymous Employers are right to ban them in the workplace (in my opinion).

Of course the additional research is looking at the gene-altering effects of different flavours of e-cigarettes on the cells in the delicate lining of the respiratory tract.. Apparently one of the worst is cinnamon ....

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Bambino — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 11:17:42 GMT

@MI5 wrote:
Not my experience at all.

I think you might have to qualify that with a 'so far' @MI5. Obviously this is only one article, but the more research that is done, then the better informed you will be. If they published conclusive evidence that it was harmful, would you quit? Did you go from cigarettes to vaping?

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

viridis — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:05:24 GMT

Depends who funds the "research"....

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:21:58 GMT

@viridis wrote:
Depends who funds the "research"....

More importantly, what results the researcher wants. I know only too well that some research results can be manipulated.

Medical research is different. After the first results, it has to be independently researched again before it is accepted, published and accepted. If there are any differences in the research findings then it will be trialled again.

These are only 'initial research findings'

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

jonsie — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:52:17 GMT

How long did it take before it was 'accepted' that smoking badly impacted on your health, so much research and no one could agree for years.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:58:05 GMT

@jonsie wrote:
How long did it take before it was 'accepted' that smoking badly impacted on your health, so much research and no one could agree for years.

@jonsie My parents amoked all their lives. When they died the cause of death was nothing to do with any smoke related illness. Dad was 82 and Mum was 87....

Like I say...I have just presented the most recent research findings on e-cig problems. If you look ...smoking tobacco causes fewer gene suppressants (according to that paper I linked to)

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

jonsie — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:59:36 GMT

To be honest, when the day comes I stop smoking it won't be by use of an ecig, I'll just stop altogether if I don't die first

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:01:23 GMT

My hubby gave it up last June with Champix tablets. He had smoked since he was 11

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

MI5 — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:04:57 GMT

My comments based on the fact that my immune system is no better or worse for vaping.
However, I am much fitter, have more energy and am financially better off since giving up traditional smoking materials.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Cleoriff — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:10:55 GMT

@MI5 wrote:
My comments based on the fact that my immune system is no better or worse for vaping.
However, I am much fitter, have more energy and am financially better off since giving up traditional smoking materials.

Good to hear Rich....I expect you have been at football this morning?...

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

MI5 — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:14:24 GMT

Yeah, just got back - freezing my *** off

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Bambino — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:12:13 GMT

This coming August will be 10 years since I quit smoking. I tried a pill similar to Champix but had side effects, so had to resort to a patch. At one point I thought I was going to have to put the patch over my mouth, but it did take the edge off. It also took a lot of will power, which I didn't think I had. If e-cigs had been more readily available at the time I think I would have tried them.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

MI5 — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:17:02 GMT

That's my problem too.... total lack of will power!

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

jonsie — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:24:42 GMT

Now that's one thing I do have....until I see the Note 6 no doubt

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

Bambino — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:25:22 GMT

You'd be surprised @MI5. After 40 years of smoking, I thought I was the last person who would ever quit.

Re: E-Cigs and the Immune System

MI5 — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 14:30:43 GMT

I know what you mean @Bambino