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O2 and 3 lag behind

liggerz87 — Wed, 03 Jul 2019 20:58:10 GMT

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-48853070 also why I have to ad a number I have to press back to skip

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

gmarkj — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 06:10:48 GMT

Just read the article.
One thing stood out:
"The total cost of a 5G Samsung Galaxy S10 and two-year contract is £1,637 ($2,062) for Vodafone's cheapest advertised tariff."
How much?!?!?

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

PhoneChanger — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 07:55:58 GMT

Its mental, though if I was in the market for 5G, I'd buy the device from Samsung (still over £1000) and then go for their £30 per month unlimited data 5G plan (it could then replace my home broadband hahahaha)

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

jonsie — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 22:26:17 GMT

I'll just wait five years.....hopefully

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

liggerz87 — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:39:39 GMT

Yep so expensive I did like get suckered in by the hype for 4g lol first place to get 4g in North Wales was Rhyl and it was ee that did it I remember being in Rhyl and was like wow 4g 30mbs download thought was fast after that I didn't really care about 4g lol I'm in Llandudno junction and 4g is here now lol

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

liggerz87 — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 17:40:08 GMT

Ye the 5g S10 doesn't have sd card slot and also different camera on it

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Jul 2019 19:43:23 GMT

Lagging behind or executing a shrewd business strategy?

Vodafone and EE launch first and have to deal with the teething problems of new equipment (hardware and software), new Operational Support Systems (network deployment and management software) as well as analysis of changes in traffic patterns (is more being used? are there spikes at certain times of day? How well is the infrastructure handling these? Do we need to increase backhaul capacity?) and of course are we charging enough to cover the costs and make a decent margin?

Think O2 is doing what it has done before and is letting the first movers discover the pitfalls while it studies churn figures, customer satisfaction figures and other market data so when it launches the bugs in the hardware and firmware have largely been squashed and it knows it can come in with pricing the market will stand while making a decent margin.

As for Three it's probably even more cautious as it took 7 years to make a profit on 3G and video calling (which only used 64k anyway) wasn't the 'killer app' it's marketing portrayed it to be and people didn't want to pay 50p per MB of data.

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

BOSSGOGG — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:46:32 GMT

Vodafone's 5G tariffs confuse me.

All unlimited data but 2 of them limited on speed. 2mbps and 10mbps. What's the point of that?

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

jonsie — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:36:34 GMT

No point as 4G is faster than that. A selling point to show 5G on the phone maybe?

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Anonymous — Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:03:50 GMT

@BOSSGOGG

The lower priced ones are capped to reduce the volume of data by influencing user behaviour.

Most video and audio apps in a default configuration are adaptive so will drop the bit rate accordingly so you might want to watch a film in HD but if the app and the management plane at the provider determine the speed of the connection is a max of 2 Mbps it'll drop the definition to standard, they aren't capping your use, they are just capping the transfer speed to allow careful control of the network load.

I think there'll be a number of changes to the plans over the next 12 months as new competition arrives and the networks carefully analyse the traffic patterns of those moving onto the service so they can see if upgrades to backhaul are required (from the base stations to the core and from the core to the 'net).

Prices will drop over time but they'll be pricing in the above and taking advantage of the early adopters.

IP networks are more efficient than the old circuit switched but the constant increase in volume across fixed and mobile data networks is pushing up the costs to run them.

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

welshsteve76 — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:04:20 GMT

It was inevitable that any company involved in the selling of 5G services to consumers was always going to cash in on the hype, just as they did with 3G and 4G. It really isn't worth the charge unless you are a heavy data user who streams movies etc all the time. As long as 4G remains at current speeds, and I am still able to use public O2 wifi etc, then I don't personally need it. My phone is on wifi 90% of the time anyway.

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

liggerz87 — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:40:41 GMT

But then again what's to say o2 are quietly added the 5g stuff and when it comes time to turn onno2 will have more places activated lol

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

liggerz87 — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:41:29 GMT

Ye I fell for the 4g hype and didn't get it till it had been 3 years lol

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

pgn — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:28:26 GMT

Never mind 5G, "Where's RCS when y'need it?"

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

jonsie — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 18:30:00 GMT

It's coming....

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

EmilieT — Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:30:19 GMT

Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you know we've shared some more news around 5G here this morning

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

welshsteve76 — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:40:37 GMT

Thanks @EmilieT

I'll be waiting until all the fuss over it has died down and the over-priced phones and tariffs come down too

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

BOSSGOGG — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:20:29 GMT

@EmilieT can you confirm if the S10G , or any of the new 5g devices, will be sold unlocked?

Great to hear about the rollout. With Three UK posting that they won't be charging any more than at present, the bar has been set. Let's see if O2 can be competitive with the sub £20 a month unlimited.

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Chris_K — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 08:13:00 GMT

@BOSSGOGG wrote:

@EmilieT can you confirm if the S10G , or any of the new 5g devices, will be sold unlocked?

Hey @BOSSGOGG

Most devices sold through O2 are no longer network locked, and almost almost all new devices sold since Jan 2019 are now unlocked. The only real exceptions are Alcatel & Doro. More unlock info here.

That being said, the current info I have is that the Samsung Galaxy S10 5G & Xiaomi Mix 3 5G will both be network unlocked when they arrive.

Re: O2 and 3 lag behind

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:53:34 GMT

@Chris_K

Will this include those on PAYG or are you rolling out on the pay monthly billing platform first?

Am probably going to see what HMD come out with myself but will probably buy SIM free again but have been really impressed with the Nokia 5.